Hoegh Osaka

JLR will probably scrap every single vehicle as any future suggestion of faults caused by this incident would be more damaging to their reputation. Also it is standard practice to insure at 110% of value.

What happens if it's someone's new Freelander? Production has stopped.

(05-01-2015 06:17pm)Earl grey Wrote:  According to BBC News JLR have said they have 1200 vehicles on the Hoegh Osaka.

My understanding (admittedly I'm out in the Middle East at the moment and don't have access to UK News programmes) is that she had just LOADED 1200 vehicles so likely she had a lot more onboard that were destined to other European and further away ports. Don't forget that this ship was not on a North Sea ferry type of trade, she carried cars and engineering equipment all round the world as Hoegh are the No1 vehicle shipping specialists and they operate round the world services - more likely that any cars on board will have had a delivery port in the USA, SE Asia or the Far East. Just think if the ship had rolled over in the main channel then Fowley Refinery, Cunard and P&O Cruises, Honda at Swindon, Toyota, Land Rover, Jaguar and a whole lot of the UK's manufacturing base would be thinking now of shutting down because so much of the nation's imports and export go through Southampton......................... this incident could have been hugely damaging to the UK's manufacturing base. The only other major seaport that can handle the monster ships that Southampton handles is Felixstowe - the new Thames Gateway port is not fully online yet. Felixstowe is operating at almost maximum capacity as is the other main vehicle shipping port of Sheerness. The rest of the UK's ports are almost dead because of the stranglehold that Southampton and Felixstowe have over imports and exports. There's a peefectly good container and vehicle port at Liverpool that hardly ships anything, I often wonder why Land Rover trucks new cars all the way from Halewood down to Southampton - think of the pollution by truck exhausts they create!

From the BBC

There are 1,400 cars on board, including 1,200 Jaguar and Land Rover products, 65 Minis as well as 105 JCB machines

"We were told that the cars were still strapped down in position, which is incredible. We understand that some of the heavy machinery has moved."

I was told that my present Evoque came through Newcastle (area) last year and that all LR products heading for main land Europe travel that way. Would that make sense Tim?

Yes, and bear in mind all Land Rover products can drive across a 45 degree slope without suffer ill effects! However whether or not the lashing system can handle the cars on that sort of slope or not is totally another question. The lashings on these car carriers is usually nylon strop ratchets so as not to damage the car, the mountings that they hook into on the car deck of the ship are not designed to hold at the 50 degree angle that I hear mention that the ship is at either. Car decks also are not usually painted with non skid paint so if the car parks where the car where stored before shipping were outside then a lot of snow/ice melt and rain water will have been driven in on the cars making the deck really slippery. Over on the Defender2 forum there is a member who works at Solihull LR and he claims that they have already been put on overtime to build replacements for the cars that will doubtless be insurance write-offs after the ship is salvaged.

Down here Saturday was very wet with lots of rain. The ship arrived Saturday morning and departed in the evening so a lot of wet tyres will have driven around the decks.

It is well worth reading the link on my earlier post regard the Mazda cars in a similar incident a few years back.

Not the same ship but this is quite interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNY4Gd6Y...ata_player

(05-01-2015 10:46am)mighTTy-RRE Wrote:  There are some similarities to a ship loaded with Mazdas a few years ago, the full report can be found here:

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/cou...afu-at-sea

Certainly an interesting article, and seems Poor old Mazda lost out because the ship did not go down, leaving it quite a headache, doesn't mention if there was any insurance, but sounds like because the cars were salvaged there was no insurance, but left Mazda with a big headache and 1000's of cars that were no longer saleable and finally going to the crushers, which is where JLR could find itself!

(06-01-2015 12:59am)XFullFatTim Wrote:  There's a peefectly good container and vehicle port at Liverpool that hardly ships anything, I often wonder why Land Rover trucks new cars all the way from Halewood down to Southampton - think of the pollution by truck exhausts they create!

They, most manufacturers, Goverments etc ship at their convenience rather than environmentally proper as they know most folk won't find out & or it suits their pockets.
The environmental responsibilities as usual are down to the end users.