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RE: The List of Suggested Improvements (was 2012 Software Update List) - iat - 24-01-2012 08:58pm
i have a new featured, and very simply to implement. the car's screen must have the function to show your mobile's app or the mobile screen in the dashboard screen, and must be possible to run the apps like tom tom, mail, sms, navigator's mobile and show them in the screen. Or connect your ipad and can to manipulate it from the screen. So, if somebody can it show in the screen the app or program that more use. And if you don't like the navteq, like i, would can use other.
RE: The List of Suggested Improvements (was 2012 Software Update List) - blacktrees1 - 25-01-2012 05:15pm
One more for the list..... to have the traffic announcement banner Off/SKip come on when you are in camera mode
RE: The List of Suggested Improvements (was 2012 Software Update List) - WorldTraveler - 25-01-2012 09:47pm
If the car could get me from A to B, that would be a great help ...
RE: The List of Suggested Improvements (was 2012 Software Update List) - jitenc - 26-01-2012 01:21am
The central console would be better if it were padded. I rest my left knee on the side of the console which is aluminium in the Dynamic when I am driving. I am always getting an inflammation just below the left knee cap. Probably this is due to the fact that the central console is too wide which takes up the space for the legroom. Or the new spec should be provided which knee protectors!
The List - olde - 26-01-2012 04:21am
Overall System:
1. Central Display Design -- Adopt the concept of ICONs instead of 'all look same' rectangular boxes. All-same boxes makes readability challenging, users have to stare at the boxes longer, it takes up a lot more space which makes maps less usable, it reduces usability, it reduces speed of use and compromises safetly. All-same box buttons makes the vehicle look less up-to-date and less intelligent than competing vehicles with friendlier user interfaces, and it warns prospective purchasers that Land Rover is perhaps out of touch with software development and may thus be slow to upgrade or improve the aforementioned, stale-fast software.
2. Faster Response -- response to key-presses is generally too slow, yet it can work faster, e.g. the navigation rotation arrows work too fast, and the keyboard screen secretly buffers presses if the user ignores the fact that the keypad just greyed-out
3. Dimming Levels -- dimming controls do not dim enough for some people, especially when driving in low light, and especially on the satnav screen.
4. Enable WiFi -- Allow a WiFi dongle to be used in a USB port, so users can connect their cars to their wireless devices and home networks, and send files to/from the car wirelessly. Another possible use would be to upload sat nav location and/or google routing information to the car's sat nav.
5. Blank Menu Spaces – Blank spaces in menus should be discouraged as they tend to increase the number of menu levels. For example, the phone system's last-10 button has an unnecessary blank space under it.
6. Oversized Header – Reduce the size of the header on the display, so more map area can be shown. This is dead space, containing unneccessary information that is duplicated elsewhere, except for the Valet button, which is certainly not important enough to be an always visible, mandatory first button on every screen.
7. Additional Short-Cuts – Users should be able to add short-cuts onto more menu screens layers than just the home page. The option to customize the home page's short-cuts is burried (hidden) too deep in the menu heirarchy.
8. Short-Cut Layout -- Need better control of shortcuts, e.g. navigating through the camera views is a slow and complicated chore, and being able to jump to certain views would increase user safety. The setup menu is mostly a blank page, on which there aught to be a button dedicated to organizing menu short-cuts. Customization of screens is a big topic for users, given how frustrating and distracting the user interface can be.
9. Larger Font -- For those users who lack good vision, an option to enlarge fonts on key sat nav info would be useful and safer; similarly with the driver info system on the central display.
10. Real-Time Tire Pressures -- TPMS to display the actual tyres pressure on each corner in near-real time.
11. Headlight Brightness Adjust -- Add optio to adjust light level used for auto headlights
12. Unhide Time/Temp – Do not hide time/temp when Nav commands are active between dials [Non-Nav models?]
13. Manual Gear Number -- Show current gear number for manual box, between dials [non-automatic models]
14. Change Gear Indicator – Need an ability to turn off the change gear indicator between dials, while still maintaining the Stop/Start function [non-automatic models]
15. ECO Button Placement -- The automatic's ECO button should be near the Terrain Response System buttons (similar to the Dynamic). This should change AWD to 2WD on-the-fly. This would cause and instant fuel savings as there would be less wheels to drive, and would lighten the EPAS, and changes the throttle control. Best suited for city driving (or when only doing below 65kph).
16. ECO Button Light -- The ECO button light should be off when ECO is on, as the default ECO setting should be on. Thus, the light should be on when ECO is turned off. It is ironic and confusing that an unnecessary light is on to tell you it is in ECO.
17. Overboost -- An overboost button should be included to match the Dynamic setting.
18. Hard Reset – Include a hard reset button, inaccessible while driving, to reboot the car if sensors go crazy. Otherwise, users are endangered by having to unplug their battery or touch positive to negative terminals.
19. System Fault Readout – System fault and diagnostic information to be included in dash, as an optional view for those users who more advanced.
20. Home Screens – Need more screen savers, e.g. Digital Clock, Framework Evoque, random evoque pictures, etc. When driving, some users always like to have the map showing, so they would like to set the “home screen” to be the map and for it to always be visible when they start the car.
21. Speed Limiter – There should be a speed limiter option for quickly setting max speed in increments, as opposed to the max speed warning setting.
22. Language Inconsistencies – The language can be changed for the console display, but the cockpit language seems unchangeable, as are the hard-coded English warnings in the camera displays. Best to make it so that language is handled with one setting for all systems and subsystems.
23. Volume Mute – Add a Say What You See mute command, and a SWYS “volume xx” command where xx is a preferred volume level. There is no mute button available other than turning the volume control down to minimum or continually pressing the steering wheel minus-sign button, which is not the same thing as mute.
24. Dynamic SWYS – Add a Say What You See “Dynamic on” and Dynamic off” command, as users do not leave it on all the time. Users typically switch dynamic on for special roads and thus it would be easier and safer to be able to activate dynamic without having to take their eyes off a road that needs extra concentration.
Navigation Subsystem:
1. Less Obscured Map – buttons that float over map views are large and only faintly transparent. They obscure the map. For example, the map rotation arrows obscure 10% of the map, and are thus too easy to press by accident resulting in the map spinning out of control. Also, the navigation system does not let users browse forward in the direction of travel without popping up even more buttons and information under your fingers, which get in the way of the map.
2. Map Zoom – A short-cut is needed to zoom the map. Zooming in and out repeatedly is neccessary because different information is visible at different zoom levels, and because it is too difficult to browse (slide) the map in the direction of travel. The P (parking beep) button is not used when travelling forward, and thus could be used as a short-cut to zoom in for say 5-seconds. Alternatively, it could zoom in initially, then switch to zooming out if it is has not been pressed within a few seconds.
3. Include Pseudonyms -- The navigation database does not work well with pseudonyms, e.g. Canada has a road called QEW which has to be called HWY-401 with a hyphen touching the Y but not touching the 4, and without spelling out highway. Meanwhile, 401 is not listed in the text database, but it shows on the map.
4. List of One – When the nav system predicts the address road being typed, it displays the road name in full, yet that road name can not be selected immediately. Instead the user must press list, even it there is only one item in the list, and then confirm, and then of course about 3 more buttons to confirm route options, destination and go, whatever go means, which is all frustratingly unnecessary and dangerously distracting.
5. Town First – When entering an address in the nav system, some roads that are in the database, are not recognized unless town is entered first.
6. Disclaimer Warning – the nav system cancels itself unless the user first agrees to a boot-sequence disclaimer warning. It would be more useful, before the system kills itself, if it could park the question for a while so users dont have to restart the whole boot process again.
7. Store Location – easier way to store current location as Favourite in Nav.
8. Destination Entry -- less steps from destination entry to actually enabling Nav destination, users currently have to find destination, return to map, press 'destination' and then unnecessarily press 'Go' as well, each time waiting for the system to slowly react to key presses.
9. TMC Ahead List -- The TMC indicator on the NAV Map when pressed should take you directly to the "Issues Ahead" List. Or have a display for issues on the map? it should allow you to interogate the road system and not just the roads on route, like you can in the RR & RRS. There is no way to find out why the sat nav has sent you a stupid route and not the normal one, which may be due to a TMC message. Also, need to show what TMS information is being used to divert user, as 90% of UK TMS for example, is out of date.
10. Off-Road Nav – Need to include off-road sat-nav [OS] as part of the HDD Premium Navigation system on UK models – it is included in driver handbook but not in cars as delivered. In all other LR/RR models where SatNav is described as Premium, off-road sat nat is included.
11. Improved 3D View – The 3D view is cluttered and clumsy looking and could be greatly improved. It is certainly not competitive with other vehicles on the road.
12. Improve POI menu -- POI menu is too confusing, and it is dangerous, requiring users to keep their eyes off the road for minutes at a time as they navigate through four levels of mixed up menus that do not make sense even to experienced users.
13. New-POI – One of the buttons is labelled “New POI near current position”, but half of that sentence does not fit on the button. Instead the button says “New-POI nea...”. This button could be labelled “POI nearby” instead.
14. Driver Position Memory – The Driver Position Memory on the driver side door offers 3 position settings, but fails to memorize (a) the default phone for that particular driver, (b) the default user profile in the Say What You See system, © the drivers preferred lumbar position and © any driver seat position at the maximum rear setting of seat adjustment on the back and forth seat rails.
15. ETA from NAV -- When driving home, the user should be able to press "Take Me Home" and go into a screen saver, which would show a clock and the estimated time of arrival, as the driver likely already knows where they are going and just wants to be able to tell their wife when they will be home given the traffic conditions etc.
16. App Mirroring – Some users have requested the ability to mirror their phone or iPad's screen in the center console display. This is not considered safe by other users, unless carefully controlled. Given the inadequate state of current vehicle software, third-party and warranttee-violating hacks will likely become available to enable mirroring.
Phone Subsystem:
1. Phonebook Search -- search suggestions by the phonebook should use all data-fields in the contacts database, because current suggestions are too limited.
2. Multiple Concurrent Phones -- It would be useful to allow more than one mobile phone to be connected at the same time.
3. Phonebook NavTo – Add an option to 'Navigate to' from Phonebook addresses; so users dont have to remember and type an address, which is distracting and dangerous
4. SMS -- Show SMS Text on screen when recieved (but only when vehicle is stationary, else it is distracting and dangerous).
5. Qwerty Phonebook – The phonebook should have a QWERTY keyboard option because triple or quadruple pressing the existing keypad buttons does not work well on a slow interface, especially one that has not tactile feedback. The errors and corrections distract drivers.
6. Change Phone – The Change Phone button should know if there are only two phones registered to the car, thus removing the unneccessary steps of selecting the other phone and then pressing ok.
Entertainment Subsystem:
1. Preset Layout – There are three sets of six AM stations, AM1, AM2 and AMA. One set of twelve stations would be preferable, as would one set of twelve FM stations. The current layout is confusing, they waste button presses to navigate them and nobody knows what AMA means.
2. Unneccessary Video Preview – The entertainment screen's video preview screen is unnecessary and adds extra complexity and button presses
3. Video Formats -- Too many video formats are not recognized and the user manual is vague about this.
4. Sound Options -- Meridian sound system graphics should offer more control, including mid-control on top of the top/low/sub settings and an equalizer.
5. Track Response -- Reduced delay in track changes.
6. Album Art – Display album art from mp3-tags or from the folder.jpg file
7. Rename CD's – Need ability to rename uploaded CD's, for example, users can have multiple CD's uploaded which all claim to be called Greatest Hits.
8. Audio '+' Button -- Audio '+' button is a bit fiddly which makes it difficult to select next available devices.
9. USB Search -- When using a large USB stick, there should be the ability to search for artist or album rather than just stepping up and down a total list, 5 lines at a time.
10. Ipod Search -- iPod mode could use a search function like in the phone mode. Now users have to go through the folders alphabetically, but with 7000+ songs in a typical iPod, it can take 20-minutes of distracting button presses to get to a specific artist.
11. Dial Labels - Artist name between dials, Rather than unneccessary USB1 [Non-Nav models?]. Also, should be artist name + song name displayed between the dials, currently is only song.
Camera Control:
1. Camera Security – Add a security camera function which uses the surround cameras to activate warning lights and sounds. This system would record images or video to the car's hard drive during threft or accidents.
2. Birds-Eye View – Need a “constructed aerial view” using the surround cameras, showing the entire car and its surroundings from a point directly above the car.
3. Immediate Rear-View -- The rear view camera is a great option but it could do with being quicker to action. On some occasions the manouvre can be almost complete before the camera fires up. The ability to see the Rear View Camera should be earlier in the car's boot-up cycle. Other users request ability to select “surround camera” view, from the “reversing full screen” view, while reversing.
4. Parking Views – Need shortcuts for “Park Right” or “Park Left” to instantly switch on the front right (or left) bumper cameras and wing mirror cameras. Alternatively, need a setting so that as soon as car drops below a set speed (say 8mph), soft buttons appear: Park Left & Park Right, and automatically activate front and rear parking sensors.
Bugs:
1. Non-UK Nav -- If you set the language and speech cues to a British/UK voice, it won't let you use the nav in the US. You have to choose English US or the nav wont work.
2. Symbian Incompatible – There is a phone compatability problem with Symbian Anna, it does not return tomusic playback after call despite stating that it does on LR/RR comnpatability report.
3. BT over 40mph – Bluetooth streaming can be used to pump internet radio into the car from a phone, but it loses signal when the user picks up speed. This is a fault of the phone, but by adding a small antennae, the Evoque could ask you to "put your mobile into the centre armrest near the in-built antenna which relays a boosted signal." [Not sure this what is causing this, as BT should work at any speed].
4. IOS5 Audio -- There is an iPhone IOS5 Bluetooth/cable audio issue documented here - http://babyrr.com/forum/Thread-Informati...OS-5-issue
5. Dead-Wipers -- Wipers when set to Auto, rarely activate when vehicle is stationary. They should remember how active they used to be and continue to be as active. They should also wipe as soon as the vehicle starts up from stationary, such as at a traffic light, for the sake of safety.
6. POI-Forgets -- System forgets POI categories from last use, causing the user to have to enter their favorite POI's all over again, which is painful given how badly the POI menus are organized
Hardware:
1. Ambient Lights – The lights in the door handles are barely visible, their prismatic lenses are blocking too much light, and the ambient lights elsewhere are not bright enough, especially for cars that are routinely driven in lighter, built-up areas.
2. 4x4 Info -- Provide more meaningful 4x4 information in supplied literature. Users have also requested serious off-roading information screen, including a compass display, map co-ordinates that can be entered or reviewed live during travel and pitch and roll information.
3. Daylight Running Rear – Add option for daylight running rear lights for those users who don't have auto-on lights.
4. Soft Lumbar – lumbar is too subtle in Prestige seats, needs to be more range of motion, its mid-point needs to be raised and its should not press against the tail bone as this can push the buttocks forward on the seat without improving the spine curvature support.
5. Tilt Dynamic Driver Seat – Add a tilt option on the standard dynamic model driver's seat.
6. Rear-View Mirror – The central rear-view mirror is mounted an inch too low, may be easier to instal but reduces visibility forward and back
7. Windscreen Wipers – Wipers are set a few inches too high, and can be easily lowered at dealerships to work better and be less conspicuous.
8. Floor Liners – The Range Rover floor liners are too small and need to be more formed and more expansive. The winter rubber mats supplied by Land Rover need to be made larger, and more tray-like, similar to those made by Weathertech. Dont use a g-string when you need a diaper.
9. Foot Rests – The is a passenger side kick plate or plastic tray protecting fuses from the passenger's toes. This plate should be modified to allow larger foot sizes to fit under it. This is also necessary for the driver's side dead pedal, which forces users with bigger feet to pull their heal back slightly, which in stiff shoes will block circulation to the toes.
10. Heated Front Screen – need a heating mesh that reduces flare-up of lights ahead, including a small area at eye level with no heating.
11. Anchor points – The anchor points that fit into the trunk's recessed slides are too large and should fit flush with the floor as they damage any luggage that is pushed over them.
12. Labelled Storage – Label the mystery storage compartments that are cut into the hard-foam container that the spare wheel sits in. One cut-out looks like it was designed for cylindrical flashlight, but it can't be used for that purpose as the cut-out is too deep.
13. Additional Trunk Storage -- Create an easy way to remove the spare wheel (especially for those with run-flat tyres), and the hard-foam container that the spare wheel sits in. This will free up a huge area of extra storage in the trunk.
14. Additional Cabin Storage – Additional storage areas can be added to the vehicle without modifying the design. One storage area could be created overhead, behind the roof-blind switch, where there is already an empty bulge in the roofline. Another storage area could be created in the rear lower quarter of the front doors, although the access to this storage may be restricted.
15. Anchor points -- Add a cut-out to store the removable restraining anchor points, that normally fit in the trunk's recessed slides.
16. Rear air outlet -- The air outlet for the back seat hisses and/or whistles when used at high fan-speed, thus it has to be kept closed if there are no rear passengers.
17. CD air-vent – There is an air vent about one inch above the CD slot, but it blows so gently that it is likely an accidental benefit to air circulation. This vent should be widened, (which would also create an anchor point for a cell-phone below the main display).
18. Windscreen Judder - When the front windscreen heater is on, and when travelling on a salted highway, if the wipers are used too frequently the windscreen wipers will start to judder, leaving lines 5mm apart on the windscreen. This can be reduced by decreasing the angle of attack of the wiper blade, typically on the drive side. Judder in one blade will also cause judder in the other, as the wiper blades have “resonant connectivity” (they are both fed by the same drive tube).
19. Butt-Pinch – The seats in the Prestige models have raised cheek pads on the sides. Under these outer edge of these seat pads are plastic and or metal hardware that can be felt through the felt gusset of the seat. This hardware presents a hard ridge against the drivers legs which can result in bruising if the leather is worn from a few months use, or it is a long drive, or the driver is heavier than 200lbs (which unfortunately accounts for a majority of affluent male North Americans). The driver will feel an edge of between 1 and 3 inches in length pressing along the lower buttock on from the inside edge of the seat and on the upper leg from the outside edge of the seat. This pain can be reduced by sitting further back in the seat which pushes some of the weight into the back of the seat, and by reducing the lumbar inflation. However, the problem may be significant enough in some vehicles models to warrant a recall in countries with heavier populations such as USA.
20. Cup Holder Cover – The cup holder cover should push away completely. This can be achieved by removing the tab that sticks up from it, but this would only work if there was a mechanism in place to access the cover once it is fully retracted.
21. Internal LED's – All inside lights should be LED's, especially the rear trunk light which needs to be a lot brighter.
22. Blind-Spot Indicators – The blind-spot area should be widened to warn users if a passing (over-taking) vehicle is accelerating into a blind-spot from behind. Currently the blind spot indicators only show that vehicle is alongside, located within a blind spot area. However, North American roads are wider, and vehicles over-take on both sides at high-speed, making this feature even more important in North America.
23. Car-Kill Delay -- The 10 minute cut off for radio/tv etc functions without the engine running is very annoying. While users understanding battery drain, they feel certain a more polite cut-off system could be used. Some users have also suggested that a software operated kill switch should monitor vehicle behaviour, so that if the keys are not detected in the vehicle, it should be possible for the car to start flashing headlights or otherwise notifying the car may be stolen.
24. Chime Deactivate – Need a documented way to turn off the door-open chime and the seat-belt chime.
25. Exhaust Note – Instal an electronic baffleplate to change exhaust sound characteristics to match the dynamic setting, else it sounds like a bogging 4-cylinder.
26. Padded Console -- The central console could be better padded, especially where the side of the knee rests against the aluminium trim. This pressure point can cause bruising and/or inflammation just below the knee cap. Alternatively, an optional knee protector could be sold with the vehicle.
RE: The List of Suggested Improvements (was 2012 Software Update List) - mark_n - 26-01-2012 06:49am
I'm trying to work out which of these suggestions is the most ludicrous. It's a tough job because there are so many contenders.
RE: Can someone please tell me why I can't pair my Galaxy SII with my Evoque - Mike Bussey - 26-01-2012 08:33am
Hi Everybody,
Last week I purchased an Evoque(Dynamic) and have a couple of issues that someone may have an answer for.
Firstly I am battling to pair my Galaxy SII with the car. It sees the phone but fails to pair with it. Anyone know what I am doing wrong, or is there a software issue?
Seconly every time I go above 120kms a message comes on the display saying "Speed Alarm". Does that come from the Navigation system, and how do I turn it off?
Thanks for your help, regards
The List of Suggested Improvements (was 2012 Software Update List) - Rootsboy - 26-01-2012 08:46am
I kind of agree with mark on a few of the ideas. And I think they are detracting from the original idea if the thread. Which was important software updates. Like speeding the system up etc. not adding dynamic overdrive buttons, or cd air vents.
Mike you can change the speed Alarm using the on board computer controlled by the switch on the right hand side of the steering wheel. I can't remember which drop down menu it is in of the top of my head. Best have a quick look in the manual
RE: The List of Suggested Improvements (was 2012 Software Update List) - mark_n - 26-01-2012 12:08pm
I certainly hope this thread gets read by the development engineers in Gaydon, it will brighten their day and make the business of conforming to homologation requirements and international crash-worthiness testing a doddle compared to meeting the needs of the armchair technologists here.
Here's my vote for the three most ludicrous suggestions:
- A heated windscreen which clears the entire screen apart from the area you want to see out of...
- A display of which gear your are in for MANUAL gearbox cars; if you don't know, you shouldn't be driving...
- A re-design to prevent bruising to various parts of the body for those endowed with fast food induced excess body mass...
Following on from that, I think there should be strain gauges built into the driver's seat to weigh the driver and remove all fast food POIs from the SatNav if the driver is overweight. Also, remove Dunkin Donuts from the POIs anyway as they are disgusting.
More seriously, there should be a rubber pad on the driver's footrest in RHD cars to prevent wear to the carpet.
RE: The List of Suggested Improvements (was 2012 Software Update List) - olde - 27-01-2012 04:30am
Mark and Mike raise and interesting point. We really should be prioritizing these suggestions. The length of the list, and the lack of sorting between brilliant and frivolous suggestions, somewhat dilutes the thread.
How do we prioritize these suggestions? Maybe first, you guys could say what your top-10 are, and perhaps your worst-5? Maybe after we do a rough prioritization, we should do a huge poll too? Any advice is welcome!
