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RE: 2012 Software Update List - PhilSkill - 22-01-2012 08:11pm
Nice one olde, There are quite a few that really shouldn't be too much problem for LR to implement, obviously some we really aren't likely to see on ours, but always good info for the next gen Evoque's.
Another one I though of yesterday while driving, the screen saver could show the ETA from the NAV, e.g when driving home, press "Take Me Home" and go into screen saver, seeing a clock and the ETA as you travel would be great when you know where you're going. also the commands still come up from the Nav on the centre dial screen without the map showing.
Software & Hardware Suggestions List - olde - 22-01-2012 09:32pm
Thanks Everyone. Here are all your suggestions so far. If you wish to restate any of them, please let me know which suggestion number it is. Should this be re-posted in a new thread, since a lot of the suggestions coming in seem to be hardware related, not software? Moderators, can you guys advise?
Overall System:
1. Faster Response -- response to key-presses is generally too slow, yet it can work faster, e.g. the navigation rotation arrows work too fast, and the keyboard screen secretly buffers presses if the user ignores the fact that the keypad just greyed-out
2. Dimming Levels -- dimming controls do not dim enough for some people, especially when driving in low light, and especially on the satnav screen.
3. Enable WiFi -- Allow a WiFi dongle to be used in a USB port, so users can connect their cars to their wireless devices and home networks, and send files to/from the car wirelessly. Another possible use would be to upload sat nav location and/or google routing information to the car's sat nav.
4. Blank Menu Spaces – Blank spaces in menus should be discouraged as they tend to increase the number of menu levels. For example, the phone system's last-10 button has an unnecessary blank space under it.
5. Oversized Header – Reduce the size of the header on the display, so more map area can be shown. This is dead space, containing unneccessary information that is duplicated elsewhere, except for the Valet button, which is certainly not important enough to be an always visible, mandatory first button on every screen.
6. Additional Short-Cuts – Users should be able to add short-cuts onto more menu screens layers than just the home page. The option to customize the home page's short-cuts is burried (hidden) too deep in the menu heirarchy.
7. Short-Cut Layout -- Need better control of shortcuts, e.g. navigating through the camera views is a slow and complicated chore, and being able to jump to certain views would increase user safety. The setup menu is mostly a blank page, on which there aught to be a button dedicated to organizing menu short-cuts. Customization of screens is a big topic for users, given how frustrating and distracting the user interface can be.
8. Larger Font -- For those users who lack good vision, an option to enlarge fonts on key sat nav info would be useful and safer; similarly with the driver info system on the central display.
9. Real-Time Tire Pressures -- TPMS to display the actual tyres pressure on each corner in near-real time.
10. Headlight Brightness Adjust -- Add optio to adjust light level used for auto headlights
11. Unhide Time/Temp – Do not hide time/temp when Nav commands are active between dials [Non-Nav models?]
12. Manual Gear Number -- Show current gear number for manual box, between dials [non-automatic models]
13. Change Gear Indicator – Need an ability to turn off the change gear indicator between dials, while still maintaining the Stop/Start function [non-automatic models]
14. ECO Button Placement -- The automatic's ECO button should be near the Terrain Response System buttons (similar to the Dynamic). This should change AWD to 2WD on-the-fly. This would cause and instant fuel savings as there would be less wheels to drive, and would lighten the EPAS, and changes the throttle control. Best suited for city driving (or when only doing below 65kph).
15. ECO Button Light -- The ECO button light should be off when ECO is on, as the default ECO setting should be on. Thus, the light should be on when ECO is turned off. It is ironic and confusing that an unnecessary light is on to tell you it is in ECO.
16. Overboost -- An overboost button should be included to match the Dynamic setting.
17. Hard Reset – Include a hard reset button, inaccessible while driving, to reboot the car if sensors go crazy. Otherwise, users are endangered by having to unplug their battery or touch positive to negative terminals.
18. System Fault Readout – System fault and diagnostic information to be included in dash, as an optional view for those users who more advanced.
19. Home Screens – Need more screen savers, e.g. Digital Clock, Framework Evoque, random evoque pictures, etc. When driving, some users always like to have the map showing, so they would like to set the “home screen” to be the map and for it to always be visible when they start the car.
20. Speed Limiter – There should be a speed limiter option for quickly setting max speed in increments, as opposed to the max speed warning setting.
21. Language Inconsistencies – The language can be changed for the console display, but the cockpit language seems unchangeable, as are the hard-coded English warnings in the camera displays. Best to make it so that language is handled with one setting for all systems and subsystems.
22. Volume Mute – Add a Say What You See mute command, and a SWYS “volume xx” command where xx is a preferred volume level. There is no mute button available other than turning the volume control down to minimum or continually pressing the steering wheel minus-sign button, which is not the same thing as mute.
23. Dynamic SWYS – Add a Say What You See “Dynamic on” and Dynamic off” command, as users do not leave it on all the time. Users typically switch dynamic on for special roads and thus it would be easier and safer to be able to activate dynamic without having to take their eyes off a road that needs extra concentration.
Navigation Subsystem:
1. Less Obscured Map – buttons that float over map views are large and only faintly transparent. They obscure the map. For example, the map rotation arrows obscure 10% of the map, and are thus too easy to press by accident resulting in the map spinning out of control. Also, the navigation system does not let users browse forward in the direction of travel without popping up even more buttons and information under your fingers, which get in the way of the map.
2. Map Zoom – A short-cut is needed to zoom the map. Zooming in and out repeatedly is neccessary because different information is visible at different zoom levels, and because it is too difficult to browse (slide) the map in the direction of travel. The P (parking beep) button is not used when travelling forward, and thus could be used as a short-cut to zoom in for say 5-seconds. Alternatively, it could zoom in initially, then switch to zooming out if it is has not been pressed within a few seconds.
3. Include Pseudonyms -- The navigation database does not work well with pseudonyms, e.g. Canada has a road called QEW which has to be called HWY-401 with a hyphen touching the Y but not touching the 4, and without spelling out highway. Meanwhile, 401 is not listed in the text database, but it shows on the map.
4. Disclaimer Warning – the nav system cancels itself unless the user first agrees to a boot-sequence disclaimer warning. It would be more useful, before the system kills itself, if it could park the question for a while so users dont have to restart the whole boot process again.
5. Store Location – easier way to store current location as Favourite in Nav.
6. Destination Entry -- less steps from destination entry to actually enabling Nav destination, users currently have to find destination, return to map, press 'destination' and then unnecessarily press 'Go' as well, each time waiting for the system to slowly react to key presses.
7. TMC Ahead List -- The TMC indicator on the NAV Map when pressed should take you directly to the "Issues Ahead" List. Or have a display for issues on the map? it should allow you to interogate the road system and not just the roads on route, like you can in the RR & RRS. There is no way to find out why the sat nav has sent you a stupid route and not the normal one, which may be due to a TMC message. Also, need to show what TMS information is being used to divert user, as 90% of UK TMS for example, is out of date.
8. Off-Road Nav – Need to include off-road sat-nav [OS] as part of the HDD Premium Navigation system on UK models – it is included in driver handbook but not in cars as delivered. In all other LR/RR models where SatNav is described as Premium, off-road sat nat is included.
9. Improved 3D View – The 3D view is cluttered and clumsy looking and could be greatly improved. It is certainly not competitive with other vehicles on the road.
10. Improve POI menu -- POI menu is too confusing, and it is dangerous, requiring users to keep their eyes off the road for minutes at a time as they navigate through four levels of mixed up menus that do not make sense even to experienced users.
11. New-POI – One of the buttons is labelled “New POI near current position”, but half of that sentence does not fit on the button. Instead the button says “New-POI nea...”. This button could be labelled “POI nearby” instead.
Phone Subsystem:
1. Phonebook Search -- search suggestions by the phonebook should use all data-fields in the contacts database, because current suggestions are too limited.
2. Multiple Concurrent Phones -- It would be useful to allow more than one mobile phone to be connected at the same time.
3. Phonebook NavTo – Add an option to 'Navigate to' from Phonebook addresses; so users dont have to remember and type an address, which is distracting and dangerous
4. SMS -- Show SMS Text on screen when recieved (but only when vehicle is stationary, else it is distracting and dangerous).
5. Qwerty Phonebook – The phonebook should have a QWERTY keyboard option because triple or quadruple pressing the existing keypad buttons does not work well on a slow interface, especially one that has not tactile feedback. The errors and corrections distract drivers.
6. Change Phone – The Change Phone button should know if there are only two phones registered to the car, thus removing the unneccessary steps of selecting the other phone and then pressing ok.
Entertainment Subsystem:
1. Unneccessary Video Preview – The entertainment screen's video preview screen is unnecessary and adds extra complexity and button presses
2. Video Formats -- Too many video formats are not recognized and the user manual is vague about this.
3. Sound Options -- Meridian sound system graphics should offer more control, including mid-control on top of the top/low/sub settings and an equalizer.
4. Track Response -- Reduced delay in track changes.
5. Album Art – Display album art from mp3-tags or from the folder.jpg file
6. Rename CD's – Need ability to rename uploaded CD's, for example, users can have multiple CD's uploaded which all claim to be called Greatest Hits.
7. Audio '+' Button -- Audio '+' button is a bit fiddly which makes it difficult to select next available devices.
8. USB Search -- When using a large USB stick, there should be the ability to search for artist or album rather than just stepping up and down a total list, 5 lines at a time.
9. Ipod Search -- iPod mode could use a search function like in the phone mode. Now users have to go through the folders alphabetically, but with 7000+ songs in a typical iPod, it can take 20-minutes of distracting button presses to get to a specific artist.
10. Dial Labels - Artist name between dials, Rather than unneccessary USB1 [Non-Nav models?]. Also, should be artist name + song name displayed between the dials, currently is only song.
Camera Control:
1. Camera Security – Add a security camera function which uses the surround cameras to activate warning lights and sounds. This system would record images or video to the car's hard drive during threft or accidents.
2. Birds-Eye View – Need a “constructed aerial view” using the surround cameras, showing the entire car and its surroundings from a point directly above the car.
3. Immediate Rear-View -- The rear view camera is a great option but it could do with being quicker to action. On some occasions the manouvre can be almost complete before the camera fires up. The ability to see the Rear View Camera should be earlier in the car's boot-up cycle. Other users request ability to select “surround camera” view, from the “reversing full screen” view, while reversing.
4. Parking Views – Need shortcuts for “Park Right” or “Park Left” to instantly switch on the front right (or left) bumper cameras and wing mirror cameras. Alternatively, need a setting so that as soon as car drops below a set speed (say 8mph), soft buttons appear: Park Left & Park Right, and automatically activate front and rear parking sensors.
Bugs:
1. Non-UK Nav -- If you set the language and speech cues to a British/UK voice, it won't let you use the nav in the US. You have to choose English US or the nav wont work.
2. Symbian Incompatible – There is a phone compatability problem with Symbian Anna, it does not return tomusic playback after call despite stating that it does on LR/RR comnpatability report.
3. BT over 40mph – Bluetooth streaming can be used to pump internet radio into the car from a phone, but it loses signal when the user picks up speed. This is a fault of the phone, but by adding a small antennae, the Evoque could ask you to "put your mobile into the centre armrest near the in-built antenna which relays a boosted signal." [Not sure this what is causing this, as BT should work at any speed].
4. IOS5 Audio -- There is an iPhone IOS5 Bluetooth/cable audio issue documented here - http://babyrr.com/forum/Thread-Informati...OS-5-issue
5. Dead-Wipers -- Wipers when set to Auto, rarely activate when vehicle is stationary. They should remember how active they used to be and continue to be as active. They should also wipe as soon as the vehicle starts up from stationary, such as at a traffic light, for the sake of safety.
6. POI-Forgets -- System forgets POI categories from last use, causing the user to have to enter their favorite POI's all over again, which is painful given how badly the POI menus are organized
Hardware:
1. Ambient Door-Lights – the lights in the door handles are barely visible, their prismatic lenses are blocking too much light.
2. 4x4 Info -- Provide more meaningful 4x4 information in supplied literature.
3. Daylight Running Rear – Add option for daylight running rear lights for those users who don't have auto-on lights.
4. Soft Lumbar – lumbar is too subtle in Prestige seats, needs to be more range of motion, its mid-point needs to be raised and its should not press against the tail bone as this can push the buttocks forward on the seat without improving the spine curvature support.
5. Rear-View Mirror – The central rear-view mirror is mounted an inch too low, may be easier to instal but reduces visibility forward and back
6. Windscreen Wipers – Wipers are set a few inches too high, and can be easily lowered at dealerships to work better and be less conspicuous.
7. Floor Liners – The Range Rover floor liners are too small and need to be more formed and more expansive. The winter rubber mats supplied by Land Rover need to be made larger, and more tray-like, similar to those made by Weathertech. Dont use a g-string when you need a diaper.
8. Passenger kick plate – the plastic tray protecting fuses from passenger's toes, should be modified to allow larger foot sizes to fit under it.
9. Heated Front Screen – need a heating mesh that reduces flare-up of lights ahead, including a small area at eye level with no heating.
10. Anchor points – The anchor points that fit into the trunk's recessed slides are too large and should fit flush with the floor as they damage any luggage that is pushed over them.
11. Labelled Storage – Label the mystery storage compartments that are cut into the hard-foam container that the spare wheel sits in. One cut-out looks like it was designed for cylindrical flashlight, but it can't be used for that purpose as the cut-out is too deep.
12. Additional Trunk Storage -- Create an easy way to remove the spare wheel (especially for those with run-flat tyres), and the hard-foam container that the spare wheel sits in. This will free up a huge area of extra storage in the trunk.
13. Additional Cabin Storage – Additional storage areas can be added to the vehicle without modifying the design. One storage area could be created overhead, behind the roof-blind switch, where there is already an empty bulge in the roofline. Another storage area could be created in the rear lower quarter of the front doors, although the access to this storage may be restricted.
14. Anchor points -- Add a cut-out to store the removable restraining anchor points, that normally fit in the trunk's recessed slides.
15. Rear air outlet -- The air outlet for the back seat hisses and/or whistles when used at high fan-speed, thus it has to be kept closed if there are no rear passengers.
16. CD air-vent – There is an air vent about one inch above the CD slot, but it blows so gently that it is likely an accidental benefit to air circulation. This vent should be widened, (which would also create an anchor point for a cell-phone below the main display).
17. Windscreen Judder - When the front windscreen heater is on, and when travelling on a salted highway, if the wipers are used too frequently the windscreen wipers will start to judder, leaving lines 5mm apart on the windscreen. This can be reduced by decreasing the angle of attack of the wiper blade, typically on the drive side. Judder in one blade will also cause judder in the other, as the wiper blades have “resonant connectivity” (they are both fed by the same drive tube).
18. Butt-Pinch – The seats in the Prestige models have raised cheek pads which are too aggressive for middle aged male users. The user will feel an edge of about 3 inches length, pressing along the lower buttock area on both sides of the body. This pain can be reduced by sitting further back in the seat, or by reducing the lumbar inflation.
19. Cup Holder Cover – The cup holder cover should push away completely. This can be achieved by removing the tab that sticks up from it, but this would only work if there was a mechanism in place to access the cover once it is fully retracted.
20. Internal LED's – All inside lights should be LED's, especially the rear trunk light which needs to be a lot brighter.
21. Blind-Spot Indicators – The blind-spot area should be widened to warn users if a passing (over-taking) vehicle is accelerating into a blind-spot from behind. Currently the blind spot indicators only show that vehicle is alongside, located within a blind spot area. However, North American roads are wider, and vehicles over-take on both sides at high-speed, making this feature even more important in North America.
22. Car-Kill Delay -- The 10 minute cut off for radio/tv etc functions without the engine running is very annoying. While users understanding battery drain, they feel certain a more polite cut-off system could be used.
23. Chime Deactivate – Need a documented way to turn off the door-open chime and the seat-belt chime.
24. Exhaust Note – Instal an electronic baffleplate to change exhaust sound characteristics to match the dynamic setting, else it sounds like a bogging 4-cylinder.
(22-01-2012 08:11pm)PhilSkill Wrote: ...the screen saver could show the ETA from the NAV, e.g when driving home, press "Take Me Home" and go into screen saver, seeing a clock and the ETA as you travel would be great when you know where you're going...
Ahah, good one PhilSkil.
I think Land Rover underestimated how eager their customers would be, globally, to get involved in product development. A public showing of this kind has positive and negative ramifications for them.
It shows that Range Rover owners are smart and brand-proud, but it also shows off some simple faults that could have been fixed by a dead tortoise. I hope their engineers and designers don't take our enthusiasm the wrong way. The car is already freakin excellent, we are just trying to improve the excellence... Right?
RE: 2012 Software Update List - cjfp - 22-01-2012 09:46pm
LR need to look at the satnav software in total. Whilst it does work, I was around Esher today and the satnav wanted to take me some ridiculous route to get home! I believe this happened for another user here in the same area! The overall satnav is better than the FL2 but it certainly doesn't work as well in all circumstances.
If any of the above suggestions are taken up by LR then existing owners should be upgraded too and not 'forgotten' about, with upgrades just being used in new cars.
RE: 2012 Software Update List - olde - 22-01-2012 10:03pm
(25-12-2011 08:55pm)an78 Wrote: direction of travel in 3D-mode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My apologies, An78, I see what you mean now. You'd like to know if you are travelling NorthWest when in 3D navigation mode. That is a good one, and it should be easy too. I'll add that to the final list in a week or so. Thanks.
RE: 2012 Software Update List - PhilSkill - 23-01-2012 12:30am
How about a compass display, I know this can only be done while moving with GPS but would still be a nice feature.
And show your map co-ordinates live as you move, These are the sorts of things youd expect in a true offroader.
Then theres pitch and roll displays, do you get these in the offroad modes as havent been anywhere to try them yet!
RE: 2012 Software Update List - Xvoyag - 23-01-2012 02:12am
How about a kill switch if the keys are not detected in the vehicle. It should be possible for an intuitive software upgrade which would kill the power after perhaps ten minutes if the keys are not detected in the vehicle, as it does in accessory mode to save the battery.
Great job Olde, and thanks to all for excellent suggestions.
RE: 2012 Software Update List - olde - 23-01-2012 03:21am
(23-01-2012 02:12am)Xvoyag Wrote: Great job Olde, and thanks to all for excellent suggestions.
Don't thank me, Xvoyag, please thank the hundreds of babyRR members who are telling me what to write. I'm just trying to keep up...
2012 Software Update List - Evoquer - 23-01-2012 08:38am
Central Display Design: Please adopt the concept of ICONs instead of 'all look same' rectangular boxes. The readability is horrible and I have to stare at it for a couple of seconds to figure it out. It's a safety issue as well.
RE: The List of Suggested Improvements (was 2012 Software Update List) - Martin - 24-01-2012 01:09pm
Hi all,
I've stickied, renamed and moved this thread as it's not just suggested software updates now, but more a general vehicle feedback thread.
Thanks to olde for starting it and making suggestions for the move and sticky
Martin
RE: The List of Suggested Improvements (was 2012 Software Update List) - alibeau - 24-01-2012 01:39pm
Tilt option on the standard Dynamic drivers seat.....
Ali.